I'm reading
The morality of capitalism as part of supervising an internship a couple of students are doing. It's a provocative read. My reaction to the introductory chapter is
here.
The second chapter is an interview with John Mackey, the founder and CEO of the grocery chain Whole Foods.
Mackey's an interesting guy, an advocate of food causes associated with liberals and progressives (organic farming, healthy eating) and an opponent of economic positions associated with progressives (government involvement with health insurance to make it available to more people).
His calling card is something he calls "conscious capitalism," the idea that companies should make profits, but that they should also be about something
more than making profits. In the interview, Mackey lists seven core values; creating wealth through profits and growth is number three. Other items on the list include being a good citizen in the communities where they do business, and trying to do their business with environmental integrity.
The interviewer asks, Why not pursue those other things without pursuing profit? Mackey makes the interesting and reasonable reply that that would limit the reach and efficacy of the organization:
[I]f you’re only making enough money to cover your costs, then your impact’s going to be very limited. Whole Foods has
a much greater impact today than we had thirty, or twenty, or fifteen, or ten years ago. Because we’ve been highly profitable,
because we’ve been able to grow and to realize our purposes more and more, we’ve been able to reach and help millions of
people instead of just a few thousand people. So I think profit is essential in order to better fulfill your purpose. (p. 20)
He wraps up this line of thought with a
slight overstatement that nonetheless makes an important point:
Also, creating profits provides the capital that our world needs to innovate and progress—no profits, then no progress. They are completely interdependent.
The overstatement lies in the fact that there are ways besides profits for assembling the financial capital to fund innovation and investment.
Strictly speaking, what's needed is "social surplus" - production above and beyond what we need/want to get through our day-to-day lives. If it takes everybody's labor just to grow enough food for us to eat, then we have zero social surplus and no ability build more and better tools. If we can feed ourselves using only half of our time, then we can use the other half in various ways. One option is leisure, but we could also choose innovation and investment.
As long as the social surplus exists, it can marshaled toward investment and innovation in various ways. The Soviet Union had
lots of investment and
some material progress - a very unimpressive ratio of progress to investment, because their planned economy was bad at choosing
useful investments and bad at fostering and adopting innovation, but both things did happen.
And even in a market system, profits are not the only source of [financial] capital. If you pay decent wages, people will save some of their earnings, and then banks and other financial institutions can gather those up into large pools of capital that can fund investments, large and small.
But even if you pay workers enough that they can save and in that way fund investments, there's still an important role for profits, because profits are what provide the return on investment that gives people the incentive to save, and
relative profits give information about which investments to choose.
There's an important conversation - one which Mackey perhaps doesn't want to have - about whether profits at some level exceed any useful role in the economy, but profits in principle definitely are an important element of functioning capitalism, whether that be the
laissez-faire type that Mackey prefers or a social-democratic model.
Another reasonable concern of Mackey's is what he calls "crony capitalism," where you get ahead not by your hard work and the social usefulness of your ideas, but by your coziness with the government and your resulting ability to get special deals from it.